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Submitted by Shawn Mowry, Feb 20, 2007 15:07

I think that this is a great article. Until now I have never heard those figures with regards to the amount of military deaths during the Clinton administration. I think it is very telling of the way the mass media has blown everything out of proportion. I would absolutely love to know where these facts and figures came from. I plan on forwarding them to some people. Anybody know where I can find this?


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I find it funny how liberals have been using the deaths of the troops in Iraq or Afganistan to further... [MORE]

Jeff 

Jan 24, 2008 00:57

It's funny that liberals are so bent over this comparison. Apparently any troops who die in combat in Iraq or Afganistan... [MORE]

Jeff 

Jan 23, 2008 13:38

The bottom line is George Bush numbers represent two wars in Afghan and Iraq. Not including the naval support of... [MORE]

Leonard Nichols 

Nov 20, 2007 16:13

Please compare apples to apples. YEAR TOTAL MILITARY TOTAL DEATHS JIMMY CARTER 1980 2,159,630 2,392 RONALD REAGAN 1981 2,206,751 2,3801982 2,251,067 2,3191983 2,273,364... [MORE]

Ian Rey 

Feb 26, 2007 11:17

I was with Hotel 2/5 USMC in Vietnam. Of the American 58,000 fatalities in around 11,000 were non-combat related. If you... [MORE]

Al Treska 

Mar 6, 2007 23:36

Well put. It's nice to see something other than leftist rants or left-leaning, selective reporting actually made the pages of... [MORE]

Danny J. 

Feb 22, 2007 01:06

the prior specific criticisms of the blatant misuse of numbers in ms. colon's piece have made the point. such cowardly... [MORE]

howard reynolds 

Feb 21, 2007 23:48

Great Article!!!! The Democrates will turn-tail and run from a situation or decision as always. Leaving our heros in a... [MORE]

Cliff 

Feb 21, 2007 20:52

Point the first: Colon, in a response to Salon.com, refers to President Clinton as a "media darling." When Clinton's approval... [MORE]

Douglas Moran 

Feb 21, 2007 20:39

Ms. Colon, Do you remember Mark Twains' famous paraphrase of an English prime minister? Allow me to refresh your memory: Figures often... [MORE]

Pete May 

Feb 21, 2007 20:13

More than 3,100 deaths in Iraq. That doesn't include American troops killed in Afghanistan or in terrorist attacks outside Iraq.... [MORE]

T. Turner 

Feb 21, 2007 19:25

Alicia - Your distorted statistics and your warped attitude have made you famous. Do not drag patriotic American veterans such as... [MORE]

Timbuktom 

Feb 21, 2007 18:24

The figure of approximately 3,100 US combat deaths in Iraq applies only to those killed by enemy action in Iraq.... [MORE]

Roger 

Feb 21, 2007 23:36

I hate to inform you of this, or really I don't but those numbers do include the accidents and suicides.... [MORE]

Proud Iraqi Vet 

Mar 10, 2008 23:12

It's amazing what drivel you can come up with when you do just enough research to forward your preconceived notion.... [MORE]

Gary Laney 

Feb 21, 2007 16:48

I think this is one of the most patently intellectually dishonest things I've ever read. The figures cited in the... [MORE]

John 

Feb 21, 2007 16:39

Thank you for thoughts from the other side. It is refreshing to have another perspective that has been researched and... [MORE]

Beth Dean 

Feb 21, 2007 16:12

Dear New York Sun, You owe readers like Shawn Mowry an explanation of how Alicia Colon counted military deaths during Clinton's... [MORE]

Andrew WK 

Feb 21, 2007 15:28

Will you be heroic and courageous enough to write in your next column that the military death rate during the... [MORE]

Thomas Holaday 

Feb 21, 2007 15:25

You have deliberately understated the number of American military dead during the four years 2003-2007. You imply that Rep. John Murtha... [MORE]

Thomas Holaday 

Feb 21, 2007 15:19

Alicia Colon is the coward here. A brave journalist might have tried to make the same points without using only... [MORE]

Aaron B 

Feb 22, 2007 12:42

You are making an utterly meaningless apples and oranges comparison by citing the two sets of death statistics. The Clinton... [MORE]

Frank Flint 

Feb 21, 2007 15:13

Almost all the deaths from '93 through '96 were either from illness, accident, suicide, or homicide. A total of 59... [MORE]

Christopher Kubasik 

Feb 21, 2007 13:50

Dear Alicia, Just a small amount of research shows that ONLY a total of FIFTY-NINE (59) casualties caused during the Clinton... [MORE]

edwin 

Feb 21, 2007 13:42

Don't be cute. Only 59 died of combat related deaths. The rest were accidents, suicides, etc. This piece is shameless. [MORE]

Dan Craft 

Feb 21, 2007 13:18

Your article is intellectually dishonest. Only 59 military deaths between 1993 and 1999 were the result of hostile action. The... [MORE]

Ellen Pitts 

Feb 21, 2007 13:08

How does this HACK Alicia Colon still have a job? What a laughable misrepresentation. Her comparison of "military deaths" in the... [MORE]

William Markley 

Feb 21, 2007 12:44

Probably the most intellectually dishonest piece of reporting I have seen in a long time. You cannot simply compare wartime... [MORE]

Michael E. 

Feb 21, 2007 12:39

If everybody would just go to the Defense Dept. PDF file from which you got your numbers, they would see... [MORE]

MB White 

Feb 21, 2007 12:14

Alicia Colon, That is a hell of an article, with a perspective which shows the greatness of this country on a... [MORE]

Dan Maguire 

Feb 21, 2007 11:53

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Blair Glenn 

Oct 18, 2007 16:22

According to a Lancet study, 655,000 Iraqis have died as the result of our invasion which is (by all informed... [MORE]

Bob Meinetz 

Feb 21, 2007 11:08

You can believe whatever you want. You can pull any number out of the thin air you like. But when... [MORE]

Daniel J 

Feb 22, 2007 01:26

A violent death is always a tragedy, even worse when it happens with a young person and much worse when... [MORE]

Pedro Soto 

Feb 21, 2007 11:00

This article offers more appropriate context and history than the vast majority of current US Media headlines du jour. This... [MORE]

Andrew Maffei 

Feb 21, 2007 10:20

Colon conveniently overlooks the fact that the military was much larger under in Clinton in the years 1992-1996. The military... [MORE]

Aileen Frankl-Toole 

Feb 21, 2007 10:08

Can you please provide the sourcing for the number of military deaths cited from 1993 to 1996? Thanks. [MORE]

Matt 

Feb 21, 2007 08:57

In response to Mr. Paul Gray's comments : Ms. Colon clearly states in the article she is only discussing the... [MORE]

Ben 

Feb 21, 2007 08:18

I bet you made several enemies in the media with this piece. Thank you for sharing. I had no idea,... [MORE]

Darrell 

Feb 21, 2007 07:50

What a stupid anaylsis. In the years you cite, 1993-1996 - 1 death was due to hostile action, 55 due... [MORE]

Paul Amirault 

Feb 21, 2007 06:05

You are comparing all military deaths under Clinton (including accident, sickness and so on) to just combat fatalities in Iraq.... [MORE]

Christopher Allen 

Feb 21, 2007 05:21

Who's counting? The author surely isn't - not correctly at least. The author compares apples and oranges: the number of... [MORE]

Joe Bartman 

Feb 21, 2007 02:42

I'm curious as to your source for the deaths of military personnel over the various terms. I found the following... [MORE]

G George 

Feb 21, 2007 01:50

Paul states that the numbers in the article don't include none war zone deaths. He's wrong!. The numbers stated in... [MORE]

Feb 21, 2007 00:46

I'll be watching your career with great interest. The world needs journalists like you, as I'm sure you're well aware. -... [MORE]

Vincent 

Feb 21, 2007 00:34

"Cowardly politicians who mock" the sacrifices of the troops? Followed immediately by reference to "Rep. John Murtha." Last I looked, Murtha... [MORE]

Bryan Bohman 

Feb 21, 2007 00:13

Alicia Colon writes: "What is never compared is the number of military deaths during the Clinton administration: 1,245 in 1993;... [MORE]

Brad Arington 

Feb 20, 2007 23:54

According to the DOD document the author cites, TOTAL military deaths from ALL causes for the first 4 years of... [MORE]

Bruce Blazej 

Feb 20, 2007 23:53

Even in the absence of combat, there are of course deaths among the hundreds of thousands of US military personnel... [MORE]

Jeffrey Harris 

Feb 20, 2007 23:28

The "war dead" count does not include deaths outside of Iraq - YOU pretend that nobody is dieing in the... [MORE]

Paul Gray 

Feb 20, 2007 19:02

I'm not the one blasting the Iraq dead figures to push any agenda. I use those 1993-1996 to show that... [MORE]

Alicia Colon 

Feb 20, 2007 19:41

The media is presenting the Iraqi war deaths as a huge number, yet this number is almost the same as... [MORE]

Kirk DeWitt 

Feb 20, 2007 20:12

I think Paul is on to something. Check out this link. [MORE]

numbrcheckr 

Feb 20, 2007 23:52

Mr. Gray, Your conclusion is wrong and arguement is fallacious. Go to the Department of Defense and do your research. Ms.... [MORE]

Dan Maguire 

Feb 21, 2007 12:19

Paul, it goes deeper than that. Alicia fails to mention that the total death toll due to hostile enemies during... [MORE]

Derrick Blaga 

Feb 21, 2007 13:37

I I retired after 25 years in the Army and the numbers of dead reported are consistent with my experience. I... [MORE]

Tibor Lanczy 

Feb 21, 2007 17:11

We'll call it the Colon Principle - The more we are at war "over there" . . . somewhere .... [MORE]

Al Tinsley 

Feb 21, 2007 22:47

The Iraq numbers are not peace time numbers.I was in the military, I even photographed a lot of peace time... [MORE]

Paul Gray 

Apr 12, 2007 20:48

and that point is incorrect [MORE]

Paul Gray 

Apr 12, 2007 20:50

As a former paratrooper and combat medic in Vietnam, I am aghast that Alicia Colon mentions the draft dodgers of... [MORE]

John Hamill 

Feb 20, 2007 15:48

You cite all military deaths during the first half of the Clinton administration, including deaths by accident, homicide, suicide and... [MORE]

Michael Cotter 

Feb 21, 2007 07:57

I think that this is a great article. Until now I have never heard those figures with regards to the...

Shawn Mowry 

Feb 20, 2007 15:07

The following figures are current for Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan) as of December 2, 2006: 23,119 Wounded... [MORE]

John E. Kraft 

Feb 21, 2007 00:01

Perhaps the ones who mock our courageous troops' sacrifices are the cowardly leaders who sent them in the first place,... [MORE]

Druce Vertes 

Feb 20, 2007 12:53

Thank you for this wonderful piece. Please keep your voice rising loudly and clearly. Our country needs to hear these... [MORE]

Judi Vitale 

Feb 20, 2007 12:45

That is a powerful piece with which I agree wholeheartedly. I would ask though how many military deaths there have... [MORE]

Michael Zwick 

Feb 20, 2007 12:43

Would someone care to be more specific as to WHERE these numbers of military death during the Clinton administration came... [MORE]

demtse 

Feb 21, 2007 07:37

Great peice, well positioned. However, the problem these days is that facts and perspective don't matter to the main stream... [MORE]

JP LoBrutto 

Feb 21, 2007 09:07

You are by and large counting non-combat deaths during the Clinton administration. The Bush adminstration does not count non-combat related... [MORE]

Heraldblog 

Feb 21, 2007 10:25

Alicia, you are a treasure. Factual, direct, courageous and offering a full meal of facts to mull. And without relying... [MORE]

Bette Dowdell 

Feb 20, 2007 12:31

Mr. Kroboth's view is one reason why every generation of my family has seen military service since the Revolutionary War.... [MORE]

Mary McLemore 

Feb 20, 2007 10:58

The Truth, The Whole Truth and Nothing but The Truth. Great Article, Enjoyed and Researched every word. Thank You. GBU, Vr Derek [MORE]

rick d sears 

Feb 21, 2007 06:37

What an absolute joke of an article. Apples to oranges data to suit an agenda...just appalling. And that people actually... [MORE]

Vance 

Feb 21, 2007 16:00

This article reinforces something I have long said - There is indeed something worse than living in a country that... [MORE]

Roy E. Terrell 

Feb 20, 2007 10:51

You are a breath of fresh air. Thanks for your comments. Some times I wish the decent Americans who do... [MORE]

Norm Bond 

Feb 20, 2007 10:27

I am reminded by your piece of the words of John Stuart Mill, words that I have posted in my... [MORE]

Eric Mack 

Feb 20, 2007 21:23

I couldn't have written anything I agree with more than what you have written. I love the line...."America is good enough... [MORE]

Betty Wiggins 

Feb 20, 2007 07:05

Only 56 of the 4417 military deaths in Clinton's first four years were in combat. The rest were mainly suicide,... [MORE]

Robert Cooke 

Feb 21, 2007 00:21

If during the Clinton Administration were 4,417 deaths and during this administration just 3,133 then this one has a credit... [MORE]

Pedro Soto 

Feb 21, 2007 12:38

As someone who has both a husband and a son currently serving in the US Military, I feel compelled to... [MORE]

K. Jossart 

Feb 21, 2007 15:40

Dear K. Jossart, Thank you so much for your post. In particular, these words: "I question this administration's handling of Iraq BECAUSE... [MORE]

Thank you! 

Feb 22, 2007 11:46

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