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Uncertified Teachers Performing Well, Study Finds
in response to reader comment: The logic astounds me.

Submitted by Bridget Looney, Nov 20, 2006 21:48

Student teaching is the most important part of teacher training. I never would have survived a week in a classroom without first having someone to watch. That's where a teacher learns, among other things, classroom management, organizational systems and appropriate ways to communicate with children. Teachers who become certified via the alternative routes do not, from what I understand, do student teaching. Learning to design curriculum, plan lessons, and differentiate for the needs of all the learning styles and exceptional children one encounters are equally important, but can be learned through coursework during the first years of teaching. It's not ideal, but it's possible. How anyone could possibly have the time or energy to take courses during their first three years of teaching is the big question. I've been teaching for nine years and work straight through until 10pm some days because there's just that much involved in being prepared for the next day. At least three days a week I stay until 6 preparing my classroom and materials for the next days' lessons and then take home student work to review. I decided to go back for a second master's and have been taking one course a semester for the past year. I'm a young, athletic person and it's killing me.

Like Tine Sloan, I don't see how a 'faster rate of improvement' merits putting an untrained teacher in a classroom. What a waste of time for both the students and the teacher. Also, I can imagine teachers would become discouraged and burn out more quickly that way. When you're not doing a good job it's clear to everyone, especially you, and who would want to feel like a failure--even if someone's feeding you the propaganda that you're "making a difference."

I've been critical of the alternative routes in principle, anyway. They undermine efforts by educators to have teaching seen as a profession. What profession doesn't require time served as an intern or apprentice? Teachers should be trained following the same model that the medical profession uses. Apprentice teachers should be closely supervised and mentored for three to four years before being considered lead teachers. What it comes down to is no one wants to pay teachers what they're worth when they do their job properly. In the end, the alternative route is just a way to keep churning out teachers so there can be a warm, legal body in every classroom. Easy to train, easy to replace. And it's the kids who suffer.

And by the way, this article made some very broad statements that cannot be supported by research--such as 'it doesn't seem to matter what college you went to and how well you did.' There's research that shows just the opposite. Good grades and a good pedigree don't guarantee anything, but they're generally valued for a reason. Who's this author trying to kid? In fact, who bribed him to write this article? The Bloomberg administration?


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M Frango

Jul 20, 2007 13:42

And you would want your child to be in a classroom with this type of teacher for the first three... [MORE]

Terry W. Blue

Dec 5, 2006 08:56

Focusing on the first 3 years of a teacher's life, it's important to recognize that regular certifying programs usually include... [MORE]

Carmen M. Seda

Dec 1, 2006 15:34

I could not see anything in the description of the research that supports the claim that it would be more... [MORE]

mary ellen levin

Nov 29, 2006 17:08

Interesting discussion here...but why have "alternative certification" programs for just teachers? Let's add doctors, lawyers, and airline pilots (and many other... [MORE]

Bob Thompson

Nov 29, 2006 15:29

I am not sure whether it is proper to compare populations of "uncertified" teachers with traditionally certified teachers who enter... [MORE]

Ronald Zigler

Nov 29, 2006 12:42

I am a supporter of alternative education for reasons of social justice, but this statement in the article caused my... [MORE]

Mary Lee Peck

Nov 28, 2006 07:51

I share your concern about student who have these rookies. I will be one of those rookies next year. After... [MORE]

Dennis Williams

Nov 28, 2006 13:11

Study is not reliable at all when you look at the conservative organizations that were all behind it. They simply... [MORE]

Kerry Chisnall

Nov 27, 2006 22:21

What does it mean to say uncertified and alternate route teachers do "just as well." "Judt as well" at what?... [MORE]

Jill Lewis

Nov 27, 2006 19:30

As an alternate certified teacher, I am not at all surprised by the findings outlined in the article. Yes, my... [MORE]

Mary Thoreen

Nov 22, 2006 21:32

It speaks volumes that uncertified teachers do as well as certified. Anyone who can tolerate the mindless pablum presented by... [MORE]

kiwikit

Nov 22, 2006 06:52

I am at a loss as to how a rational thinker could be in favour of the idea of god.... [MORE]

Gerry Morrison

Nov 22, 2006 13:40

I couldn't agree more. It is much more rational to believe that the universe had a gas attack (big boom)... [MORE]

Robert Williams

Nov 24, 2006 12:04

I've never been able to understand how the Press/D'RATs have gotten away with destroying our public schools. The only rules... [MORE]

kiwikit

Nov 22, 2006 06:42

Since I don't teach in CT, I can't be sure if they've ditched grammar, history, civics and upper-level mathematics, but... [MORE]

Wanda

Nov 24, 2006 12:05

I truly believe we need uncertified teacher just as much as certified teachers in the classroom. There is a need... [MORE]

Alozno Bailey

Nov 21, 2006 18:53

I was just recently released from my classroom due to not having my California Teacher Certification completed in time. I... [MORE]

Terri Robinson

Nov 21, 2006 17:39

Ummm...was your spelling error intentional?Re-diculous...? [MORE]

Faye

Nov 22, 2006 13:51

It is unfortunate that some very good teachers are having trouble passing the certification exams. God knows we need good... [MORE]

Dennis Williams

Nov 28, 2006 13:52

Hopefully teacher prep program personnel will read this and come to the same conclusion that many others have. We need... [MORE]

Nan Gillispie

Nov 21, 2006 16:46

Preservice coursework and inservice education are two different things, both needed. Preservice education is an induction into the profession, which... [MORE]

mary ellen levin

Nov 29, 2006 17:22

I have 20 + years of experience in classrooms, 18 in secondary education and 9 in higher education where I... [MORE]

Robert

Nov 21, 2006 14:31

I went back and became a teacher at the ripe old age of 39 through a a Teachers Apprenticeship Program,... [MORE]

KKuster

Nov 29, 2006 17:41

A detailed report on the study is available in the current issue of Education Next magazine. It can be accessed... [MORE]

Andy Mollison

Nov 21, 2006 11:50

Another issue that arises from this debate is the attrition rate of new teachers within the first three years of... [MORE]

Mary Lou Miller

Nov 21, 2006 05:10

I am a site coordinator and instructor for the Mississippi Alternate Path to Quality Teachers. In my four years with... [MORE]

Patsy Patterson

Nov 20, 2006 21:40

Can someone forward me a link to the TITLE of this report by the Hoover Institute and where it was... [MORE]

Anthony Petrosino

Nov 20, 2006 20:54

The article iis apparently from the journal Education Next. http://www.washtimes.com/upi/20061121-041809-4248r.htm [MORE]

Robert

Nov 21, 2006 14:34

How many teachers who start off as being uncertified are actually in the classroom 3 years later? That number is... [MORE]

Dennis Sunal

Nov 20, 2006 19:13

It is nice to see that the uneducated, inarticulate and basically stupid indivuals still exist in our society. Perhaps the... [MORE]

Paladn

Nov 22, 2006 12:50

NCLB should be renamed NTLB (No Teacher Left Behind), with corespondingly large amounts of money poured into pre-service and in-service... [MORE]

Cheryl Witucke

Nov 20, 2006 18:06

This is supposed to be a case for alternative certification? Of course they have a lot more to learn during... [MORE]

Tine Sloan

Nov 20, 2006 17:16

Student teaching is the most important part of teacher training. I never would have survived a week in a classroom...

Bridget Looney

Nov 20, 2006 21:48

By this logic, anyone who wants could, with three years practice on patients, learn to remove an appendix as well... [MORE]

Kate Macaulay

Nov 21, 2006 10:28

Kate Macaulay: Thanks for reading my post. Are you saying that you agree teachers should spend three to four years... [MORE]

Bridget Looney

Nov 21, 2006 16:27

I am sorry to have been unclear -- I only meant to say that, using the logic of the article,... [MORE]

Kate Macaulay

Nov 22, 2006 11:16

All teachers perform better as they gain experience. Don't use this as an excuse to pile in people who are... [MORE]

Toni

Nov 20, 2006 16:54

A given with the non-traditional teaching candidates is that they have already been employed full-time. They have a good work... [MORE]

Kathleen Benedick

Nov 20, 2006 16:40

Evaluations of any program (starting with Head Start and going on up through adulthood) have always found that the effects... [MORE]

Walter Secada

Nov 20, 2006 16:07

I agree with most of what you say, and had already posted similar comments beneath other people's comments. But your... [MORE]

mary ellen levin

Nov 29, 2006 18:33

The findings are entirely unsurprising. Teachers learn to teach by teaching, not by studying in undergraduate teacher education classrooms. The... [MORE]

Richard Jacobs

Nov 20, 2006 15:20

Teachers need both things. Do you want a highly motivated but untrained heart surgeon learning on the job when it's... [MORE]

mary ellen levin

Nov 29, 2006 18:26

How do these two clauses relate to each other? The clear implication is that minority teachers are all uncertified, or... [MORE]

Tom Smith

Nov 20, 2006 08:32

Are we continuing to do what we have always done and get what we have always gotten? Where does the... [MORE]

Mary Belknap

Nov 20, 2006 15:55

I would hope that teachers that come through the alternative certification would improved over years. School districts across the country... [MORE]

James Garvin

Nov 21, 2006 06:54

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