I don't understand the purpose of this article. Doe Mr. Kirshnit think he's cutting edge by writing this? Look, we've all known for years that the typical "Top 5" rankings are hogwash. So what. The bottom line is, it doesn't matter. Musicians are of a consistantly higher caliber than they were decades ago. Yes, I do believe the Cincinatti and Pittsburgh Symphonies are better than the New York Philharmonic. You didn't mention the Minnesota Orchestra in your article. They also play as well, if not better than the Cincinnati and Pittsburgh orchestra's - and the wind section is a glory from God.
I also have a complete lack of respect for Mr. Kirshnit. This is due to the fact that I continually read review after review and Mr. Kirshnit is so consistantly different in his opinions than the majority, that it makes me wonder. There is no doubt, what some listeners love, others will hate. Therefore, I look for trends and overall opinions rather than put stock in one specific reviewer. Mr. Kirshnit is almost always the odd-man out so to speak.
As I've said, this article is useless. The ranking don't matter. If this is the author's way of trying to tell the New York Philharmonic that he's had it with them, then why doesn't he just come out and say it? Besides, there's a bigger picture to look at here too. And for arguments sake, let's say the Pittsburgh is a better orchestra. They still don't play as many concerts and don't have as many world-class soloists perform there in any given season as the New York or Boston orchestra's. Budgets, programming, and artists also come into play here in determining what a so-called "top 5" orchestra is.
The logical assumption is that Mr. Kirshnit is based out of New York. Given that, how does he, or any other reviewer, have the expertise to make these judgements for himself? How many Pittsburgh Symphony concerts do you hear in any given season? I would guess maybe one or two if that. That isn't enough to make a qualified decision. I live in Minneapolis. I listen to 15-20 concerts a season by this orchestra. I listen to many other orchestra's as well. As I'm quite sure the orchestra here is equal or better than the ones in Philadelphia, Los Angeles, and Cleveland - but I'm not ignorant enough to publish this without more first hand experience and knowledge.
In any event, I found this article completely unnecessary and frankly a bit off-base. If the point is to tell readers that the other orchestra's have caught up to the NY's, Boston, etc... Most serious listeners have known that for years, so we don't need one of the worst commentators on the subject telling us this.
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This is a highly personal, but realistic, take on the most current status of orchestral music. I can attest to... [MORE]
Tom
Mar 20, 2008 23:45
Finally, a review where someone is willing to take the risk of telling it like it is. Perhaps if the... [MORE]
Don Skochinski
Mar 16, 2007 15:20
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david
Jan 31, 2007 05:32
LA Phil: Last year I had the unique pleasure of hearing the San Francisco Symphony and the Los Angeles Philharmonic... [MORE]
ben dominitz
Jan 2, 2007 20:19
finally someone said what had to be said - thank you - please write more honest articles like this [MORE]
a
Dec 25, 2006 21:59
Do you realize you've just criticized some of the greatest musicians in the world? The New York Philharmonic comments in... [MORE]
CK
Dec 13, 2006 23:08
This is big to hear that Pittsburgh is in the Top 5. As a Pittsburgh Symphony fan and concert "goer"... [MORE]
Neil L. King
Dec 11, 2006 09:43
Subjective appraisals are really of value only to the ones making them. Do you hear, see, feel or imagine what... [MORE]
Forrest
Dec 10, 2006 15:08
I'm not sure how any of your so-called top five orchestras would fare if they had world orchestra parading past... [MORE]
George
Dec 9, 2006 11:20
Obviously this writer has both hearing and visual problems. I have been in this profession for 65 years and know... [MORE]
Pierre Medard
Dec 9, 2006 11:12
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Have we gotten to the point where "unilaterally and without consultation" means "had musician representation on the search... [MORE]
RAD
Dec 8, 2006 14:56
What a silly exercise. There are so many really fine orchestras in this country why should anyone want to rate... [MORE]
D. Th. J.
Dec 7, 2006 19:23
It's funny to me to see how passionate some people are about something that matters so little. From Bruce, who... [MORE]
Brian
Dec 7, 2006 16:02
According to whom? I make my own aesthetic judgments in these matters. Always! [MORE]
Patricia
Dec 7, 2006 10:11
I have to say I actually feel bad for you. If your ears are this bad that you think LA... [MORE]
An maestro that will remain nameless
Dec 6, 2006 18:18
As punishment for expressing sweeping opinions based on biased motives, Mr. Kirshnit ought to be sent to each city of... [MORE]
Steven Honigberg
Dec 6, 2006 17:37
Other than making the well-known point that there are many great orchestras in the US outside of New York, Boston,... [MORE]
Marko Velikonja
Dec 6, 2006 14:20
For sheer versatility, the Boston Symphony under James Levine is arguably the finest orchestra in America. Its winds and brass... [MORE]
marc
Jan 25, 2008 12:51
I think Mr. Kirshnit nailed it with the inclusion of Pittsburgh and Cincinnati. The only quibble I have is replacing... [MORE]
pa
Dec 6, 2006 14:05
It has long been an "open secret" that there were several orchestras out there that could play at the same... [MORE]
Bruce B.
Dec 6, 2006 12:56
The concept of the Big Five among Among Orchestras has long made sense. The Boston Symphony, Chicago Symphony, and Philadelphia... [MORE]
John L. Turner, MD
Dec 6, 2006 09:38
Any orchestra alive today is worth listening too. The environment is far from friendly to classical music and only the... [MORE]
Marvin E. Gozum, MD
Dec 8, 2006 07:48
I regret that Mr. Kirshnit's observations on the New York Philharmonic are amazingly short-sighted. Can he actually forget that when... [MORE]
Lloyd Paguia Arriola
Dec 6, 2006 04:42
I don't understand the purpose of this article. Doe Mr. Kirshnit think he's cutting edge by writing this? Look, we've...
Ken
Dec 5, 2006 21:13
One more example of Fred Kirshnit's bellyaching about how good things "used to be." It makes one wonder - if... [MORE]
sh
Dec 5, 2006 11:04
I agree completely. This gentleman is a windbag with nothing insightful to say. What arrogance to think he has the... [MORE]
Laura Waterland
Dec 6, 2006 08:00
The Sun should have emblazoned "Opinion" over this article. Certainly the writer stands outside of the consensus of received opinion.... [MORE]
Mark Stenroos
Dec 6, 2006 13:56
Music is art, and art should be experienced and enjoyed and discussed in a civilized manner. I can be... [MORE]
Mark B
Dec 6, 2006 17:04
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Michael
Dec 6, 2006 18:46
"One wonders why the NYPO is obsessed with conductors whose surnames begin with "M," but at least they got it... [MORE]
Michael
Dec 6, 2006 18:48
Of course this article is an opinion--that much should be obvious. I agree with the bulk of your defense or... [MORE]
Erich
Dec 7, 2006 22:38
Dear Erich -
Well, you seem to ignore the qualifier to my statement that the top orchestras had little room to... [MORE]
Mark Stenroos
Dec 13, 2006 16:58
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