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The Bertrand Russell of Islam

Submitted by Shashi Thandra, Dec 19, 2007 02:50

Let me respond first by noting that Said's influential book is indeed deeply flawed, and in Terry Eagleton's apt phrasing, is a "flawed classic." The fact that it is a classic and spawned, as noted in the article, the vast field known as Postcolonial criticism is, for Mr. Warraq, a major problem. Many scholars sympathetic to Said's project have noted most of the basic problems that Mr. Warraq points to, those of historical accuracy etc. Moreover, Postcolonial theory and criticism has moved well beyond Said's text; the newer iterations of these projects would provide more fertile ground for thinking the contemporary situation. That is my first point. My second point is that there is, at least in this article, a deeply flawed understanding of what Said's argument is. "If Orientalists have produced a false picture of the Orient, Orientals, Islam, Arabs, and Arabic society… then how could this false or pseudo-knowledge have helped European imperialists to dominate three-quarters of the globe?" Producing a false picture is precisely *how* the imperial project was accomplished. That is, Said is concerned with the ways conquest is justified, or even more perversely, thought to be helpful. A part of his argument, then, is 'Orientalizing' the Arab world meant dehumanizing its population, casting them into particular types such as the lascivious harem female or the equally perverse despot. Such debased creatures obviously need the help of Enlightened European empires whose universal rationalism will clearly see beyond their opium-induced irrationality. This is merely a gloss of the argument, but one that I hope illustrates the ways imperialism comes to be justified as, what Said calls, "the civilizing mission." One does not need much imagination to see how such dehumanizing logics–––based on sound epistemological practices no doubt–––duplicate themselves in the genocide of Native Americans, the enslavement of Africas, et al. Such logics, moreover, are not merely the scars of history but the present's still bleeding wounds; the justification offered *after* invading Iraq, for instance, is a contemporary iteration of the 'civilizing mission,' namely the 'democratizing mission.' My final point, however, is less firm and more sympathetic to Mr. Warraq's concerns. The question of how one avoids ethnocentrism without also collapsing into a toothless cultural relativism that remains mute to the persecution of women, homosexuals, and others, is a very serious one. Claiming, as Mr. Warraq does, that it is Said who paved the way for the Arab world to cry victim and hide cruel persecutions behind those tears is both reductive and historically inaccurate. The argument is reductive insofar as it denies the long and continuing history of Western involvement, often of the military kind, in the Arab world. More significantly, at least for Said's case, is that a better part of the 30 year career following Orientalism was spent as an intellectual and cultural liaison. One article in particular, published in the Egyptian newspaper Al-Ahram, entitled "The Other America," admonished his readers to shatter their crude one dimensional images of America, or the West generally. In that same article, Said also describes his lifelong efforts with Arab premiers to think more complexly about the West, lest they replicate the same dehumanizing gestures he spent his lifetime critiquing.


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Let me respond first by noting that Said's influential book is indeed deeply flawed, and in Terry Eagleton's apt phrasing,...

Shashi Thandra 

Dec 19, 2007 02:50

To quote: "...question of how one avoids ethnocentrism without also collapsing into a toothless cultural relativism that remains mute to... [MORE]

Jerzy Kaltenberg 

Dec 22, 2007 05:14

To argue against you, Mr. Kaltenberg, I hope you won't mind that I quote you quoting me. "...The argument... [MORE]

Shashi Thandra 

Dec 22, 2007 14:48

heheh -- first you admit that Said is deeply flawed. But then you claim that post-colonial theory which was invented... [MORE]

Mohsen 

Dec 22, 2007 22:59

How is thinking about violence, both epistemic and bodily, a utopian project? And what is the teleology of this project,... [MORE]

Shashi Thandra 

Dec 23, 2007 13:48

You say, "Producing a false picture is precisely "how" the imperial project was accomplished." I thought it was, rather, because,... [MORE]

georgesdelatour 

Dec 23, 2007 18:28

There are several important arguments you bring forward and I would like to address them in the order you make... [MORE]

Shashi Thandra 

Dec 24, 2007 18:59

There are several important arguments you bring forward and I would like to address them in the order you make... [MORE]

Shashi Thandra 

Dec 24, 2007 22:17

personally i've always had difficulty with the distinction, east and west. where does west become east exactly? when did this... [MORE]

rob windsor 

Dec 18, 2007 18:30

Minor quibble, but please note that Asoka was not a Mughal emperor. I doubt if Warraq could have made such... [MORE]

omar ali 

Dec 18, 2007 14:41

The review does not say that Ashoka was a Mughal emperor. Strictly speaking he was not Indian. He was Mauryan. [MORE]

Jim Bonner 

Dec 18, 2007 23:13

""'Orientalism,'" Mr. Warraq writes, "taught an entire generation of Arabs the art of self-pity … encouraged the Islamic fundamentalist generation... [MORE]

Michael Manion 

Dec 18, 2007 12:17

If you knew anything about the Islamic 'Bertrand Russel' by the name of Ibn Warraq, he traces Muslim self-defeatism and... [MORE]

Hamid 

Dec 21, 2007 08:31

Edward Said's comments of course need critiques, so I enjoyed reading this article. Leaving aside my personal opinions, which were... [MORE]

Luther Obrock 

Dec 18, 2007 11:06

I congratulate Mr Weiss for bringing Mr Warraq's writing to our atention. It would have been stunning if Mr Warraq... [MORE]

Anthony Steyning 

Dec 18, 2007 09:24

The mention of Ashoka as a Mughal emperor gave me a small heart attack. He was a Mauryan emperor, who... [MORE]

Arun Vasudev 

Dec 18, 2007 08:32

Mr. Warraq is correct in many ways. He reveals the truth that Edward Said was an intellectually dishonest analyst of... [MORE]

Roberta E. Dzubow 

Dec 13, 2007 13:10

In my own work I both critique and make use of Said and his thoughts about colonialism. I cheer at the... [MORE]

Suzanne Oliver 

Dec 18, 2007 10:57

Aren't there non-Western, that is, Asian, victims of Islam? How are Muslims who convert to other religions treated by the... [MORE]

Tony 

Feb 18, 2008 19:12

Nicely written article by someone who knows something (Weiss) reviewing a book by one of the bravest intellectuals alive (Ibn... [MORE]

mhw 

Dec 13, 2007 08:52

Not accurate or focused! More later. [MORE]

Allen Tobias 

Dec 12, 2007 21:41

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