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Her Key Two Weeks

Submitted by dane ayers, Feb 20, 2008 09:24

The polls have been wrong so many times, it is not a good idea to base your column on polls instead of actual results. Obama won Wisconsin by roughly the same margin Hillary won her home state of New York, and it was a rout. Obama won nearly every demographic....and was even seen as the candidate most likely to win in November and the best qualified for commander-in-chief. Although I expected Obama to do well, these results were astounding. I would urge you to actually follow this election, as it is quite interesting.


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Elad 

Feb 21, 2008 14:27

Hillary will ALWAYS have my support whether she wins the nomination or not. Just seeing her stand up so strongly... [MORE]

Angela 

Feb 21, 2008 04:11

Think of this ghastly thought: If all of the primaries were winner take all, Hillary Clinton would have a commanding... [MORE]

MIke F. 

Feb 21, 2008 00:18

People, even if Obama wins the rest, they will be in a statistical tie, as only 1-2% of the delegate... [MORE]

John 

Feb 20, 2008 22:41

But the catch, John, is your phrase "within the rules." The rules are that Florida and Michigan don't count. My... [MORE]

Joe c 

Feb 20, 2008 23:35

Yes, Clinton needs a win. Badly. But Obama faces a more uncertain future. While Hillary may not be able to... [MORE]

Jack Heismann 

Feb 20, 2008 22:18

To be effective, a presidential campaign has to be one part substance and two parts inspiration. A few people are... [MORE]

Joe c 

Feb 21, 2008 00:32

There are few moral victories and Hillary cannot claim Wisconsin as one of them. She was beating Obama soundly in... [MORE]

Shin 

Feb 20, 2008 22:16

Wisconsin was NOT a narrow defeat... monday some polls even had her in the lead, and there was the whisper... [MORE]

Todd Palmer 

Feb 20, 2008 19:48

No, the margin was quite wide. And what I don't understand is why it is supposed to be a good... [MORE]

Joe c 

Feb 20, 2008 21:12

Obama aka Mr. Ambiguous will only go so far. Around 10% of his votes last night came from crossover voters.... [MORE]

John Ross 

Feb 20, 2008 18:21

Do 2 minutes of research...the rhetoric that Barack Obama is "hollow" and is only about speeches is getting old and... [MORE]

Rebecca 

Feb 20, 2008 21:41

Obama beats Hillary by 17 points - yet you refer to it as a "narrow defeat"? Why? Because this time... [MORE]

Michael Kniat 

Feb 20, 2008 17:53

CALLING ON ALL REPUBLICANS IN THE GREAT STATE OF TEXAS Last night Hillery said she was "ready to defeat the Republicans"... [MORE]

Daniel 

Feb 20, 2008 17:48

After reading the article and the blogs that follow, one can only come to the conclusion that we Americans still... [MORE]

lynn payne 

Feb 20, 2008 17:29

Remember the old saw? "Democrates Fall In Love; Republicans Fall In Line" Please my fellow Demos don't give the presidency... [MORE]

Buff Given 

Feb 20, 2008 17:18

Better yet, what would they think? What would happen now if Hillary got the nomonation? What if she breaks even... [MORE]

Sherlock 

Feb 20, 2008 16:58

It's Over, and that is pretty much a fact.Why is it a fact? Just do the math: Obama is up 150... [MORE]

Elad 

Feb 20, 2008 16:24

I can't possibly see how Hiliary Clinton can get any comfort out of the results of the Wisconsin primary. It... [MORE]

Ken Derickson 

Feb 20, 2008 16:23

By any stretch of the imagination, a 17 1/2 point defeat in a swing state that looks an awful lot... [MORE]

Aaron K. 

Feb 20, 2008 16:01

If Clinton wins Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island, and Vermont all by 20%, she only picks up a net gain of... [MORE]

Mac Zilber 

Feb 20, 2008 15:24

Barack's margins of victory since Super Tuesday: Louisiana: +21 Nebraska: +36 Washington: +37 Maine: +19 Virgin Islands: +82 DC: +51... [MORE]

Ajax the Greater 

Feb 20, 2008 15:22

The Clinton campaign campaigned hard in Wisconsin. They went negative, they threw everything they could at Obama. The demographics was... [MORE]

Marge T. 

Feb 20, 2008 14:58

Don't know why CNN and other networks only show Obama with 58% of the vote, given that he had 58.8%... [MORE]

Keith 

Feb 20, 2008 14:58

Hmmm, the win doesn't count for much because so many independents and Republicans crossed over to vote for our candidate?... [MORE]

Ursa M 

Feb 20, 2008 14:58

For those that think that Obama has alot of x-over appeal, I think there may be abit of a surprise... [MORE]

Heatwave 

Feb 20, 2008 16:57

Obama outspent Clinton 4 to 1 in Wisconsin, enough said. $$ [MORE]

Michael 

Feb 20, 2008 14:57

Obama outspent Clinton because he's been raising bucketfuls more money from his supporters. What? You think it was desperate? You... [MORE]

Matt Weiss 

Feb 20, 2008 20:21

I think you have captured the mindset of the Clinton campaign perfectly. [MORE]

ted 

Feb 20, 2008 14:56

According to the majority of columnists, pundits, analysts, even former members of various Clinton campaigns in the past along with... [MORE]

Paul W 

Feb 20, 2008 14:45

LOL thanks for reminding me that Obama spent $500,000 in the WI primary when I get home tonight I'll send... [MORE]

JIm Moore 

Feb 20, 2008 14:29

You can't be serious in suggesting that a 17-point win is not a rout. It's virtually a landslide. And, most... [MORE]

Howard B. 

Feb 20, 2008 14:18

I'm sorry, but I don't understand how a 17% victory in a state that largely favored her demographically can be... [MORE]

Matt Weiss 

Feb 20, 2008 14:17

I guess her 17 point victory in NY was "narrow" as well. [MORE]

Newton 

Feb 20, 2008 14:37

I'm not exactly sure how a roughly 17 point margin is "keeping it close," even by the low standards of... [MORE]

Mark Panning 

Feb 20, 2008 14:13

I believe it is time for Mrs Clinton to call it quits in order to safeguard her reputation and her... [MORE]

orangeal 

Feb 20, 2008 14:27

What a strange article. Wapshott declares it a victory for Clinton that Obama owes his win to the 36% of... [MORE]

Bill 

Feb 20, 2008 14:07

she is running out of excuses. Truth is she is no Bill and she is, at best, a mediocre politician,... [MORE]

kwaku azar 

Feb 20, 2008 14:03

Obama won by 13% in Wisconsin, with Hawaii as dessert. He reached decisively into Clinton's core consituencies. If that's not... [MORE]

Sisyphus in Soho 

Feb 20, 2008 14:02

Now to win HRC needs to spread em with victories of 24- 25 % over Barack. Not really possible; me... [MORE]

Double digits = R O U T 

Feb 20, 2008 14:24

I don't understand the following comment from this article: Mrs. Clinton can claim to have turned Wisconsin into a narrow... [MORE]

Jeff 

Feb 20, 2008 14:00

Are you kidding? Clinton's team has tried to spin this as a narrow loss, but every news outlet has reported... [MORE]

Marcus 

Feb 20, 2008 13:57

The claim that "Mrs. Clinton can comfort herself that she did not suffer an outright rout" is difficult to accept.... [MORE]

Iconoclast 

Feb 20, 2008 13:56

A narrow defeat is 5 points - NOT 17! [MORE]

RG 

Feb 20, 2008 13:54

Given the rules for delegate selection, a "delegate" rout would probably require a 65/35 win. But for most of us who... [MORE]

Harry 

Feb 20, 2008 13:47

I mean after losing 10 races, Mrs Clinton needs to go back to the Senate and stop being foolish. McCain has... [MORE]

Betty Chambers 

Feb 20, 2008 13:46

58% is not a narrow defeat. That's a double-digit margin of 17 points. I'm sorry that you support Clinton, and... [MORE]

Elad 

Feb 20, 2008 13:26

How is a 17 point loss "close"? I'm not anti-Hillary, but lets be real. [MORE]

someone 

Feb 20, 2008 13:25

"Instead of an outright loss, Mrs. Clinton can claim to have turned Wisconsin into a narrow defeat. " This is... [MORE]

Doug 

Feb 20, 2008 13:24

1. Obama's health plan was never meant to be universal. In fact, no economically sound health plan SHOULD be universal.... [MORE]

jc 

Feb 20, 2008 13:17

Since when is an 18-point loss a narrow defeat? [MORE]

ziggytosh 

Feb 20, 2008 13:09

Billary lost 10 contests in a row-how can she possibly recover from ten losses? I am so tired of hearing... [MORE]

Jodi 

Feb 20, 2008 13:07

17 points in a state that all agree should be a core Clinton state is a narrow loss? [MORE]

Joel 

Feb 20, 2008 12:58

Hillary had run a pretty good campaign till South Carolina and even Super Tuesday. But since then, her campaign is... [MORE]

pakman 

Feb 20, 2008 12:49

Obama won WI handily by 17 points, hardly a close-call. When one considers that realclearpolitics polls averaged him ahead of... [MORE]

Robert Mayer 

Feb 20, 2008 12:45

"Narrow defeat" in Wisconsin??? Negative ads were effective??? I live in Texas, and early voting has just begun. Longest lines anyone... [MORE]

Mark 

Feb 20, 2008 12:44

You don't think Wisconsin was a rout? You're either the most rabid Hillary Clinton fan writing or you don't understand... [MORE]

Donnie Marler 

Feb 20, 2008 12:41

A 17 point margin is hardly a "narrow defeat". [MORE]

C. Fink 

Feb 20, 2008 12:41

Obama won by 17 points in a state Hillary shouldn't have even had to campaign in. She will have to... [MORE]

Da5id 

Feb 20, 2008 12:37

To call the Wisconsin victory a "narrow defeat" is pure spin. 58% is a wider margin of victory than any... [MORE]

Martin Feldman 

Feb 20, 2008 12:37

In what world is a 59-41 percent loss a "narrow defeat"? [MORE]

Joe 

Feb 20, 2008 12:36

I hardly think that losing a state that should have been made up largely of her 'base' by 17% could... [MORE]

Ron 

Feb 20, 2008 12:35

We must have different definitions of "narrow". She lost 58-41. That's a complete and utter rout by any reasonable definition,... [MORE]

Craig Miles 

Feb 20, 2008 12:27

The RCP average of Wisconsin polls was about 4 percent in favor of Obama. He won by four times that.... [MORE]

DANatUSDLAW 

Feb 20, 2008 12:24

So the author claims that Clinton was brilliant in her ability to take a state (Wisconsin) tailor-made to her demographic... [MORE]

Chris 

Feb 20, 2008 12:20

>>Last night's result in Wisconsin showed how canny the Clintons are at gaming the Democratic race. Instead of an outright... [MORE]

Dan Conley 

Feb 20, 2008 12:15

I don't know how anyone can claim that a 17 point drubbing is a narrow defeat? Polls were showing it... [MORE]

Thom 

Feb 20, 2008 12:11

Last night has been almost universally described in the American press as a wipe-out. Mrs. Clinton is out of money,... [MORE]

Larry Sharp 

Feb 20, 2008 12:08

Exit polls show that, in fact, Obama won registered Democrats. (Is "traditional" your variation on the Clinton campaign standard that... [MORE]

Eric 

Feb 20, 2008 12:06

Nicholas Wapshott claims that Hillary Clinton successfully played the expectations game in Wisconsin by turning "an outright loss" into a... [MORE]

Michael Barnes 

Feb 20, 2008 12:02

How do you figure that 17 points is a "narrow defeat"? [MORE]

Dean Collins 

Feb 20, 2008 12:01

He claims that Clinton will be able to claim a narrow defeat? How so?? She lost by 17 points! In... [MORE]

Neil100283 

Feb 20, 2008 11:59

17 percentage points is hardly a narrow defeat. The Clintons have simply been unprepared as they thought they would be... [MORE]

saw 

Feb 20, 2008 11:55

What in the world are you talking about? Narrow Victory? Avoided a rout? I can understand having to write about things... [MORE]

Mark Flanders 

Feb 20, 2008 11:53

Narrow defeat? She lost by 17% while continuing to chip away at her base. [MORE]

Andy Brown 

Feb 20, 2008 11:46

The negative ads stemmed the tide? A quarter of the electorate said that only Clinton attacked unfairly, and 94% of... [MORE]

Ted Venegas 

Feb 20, 2008 11:45

A 17 point loss -- in a state with almost ideal demographics for her -- is a "narrow defeat?" Let's... [MORE]

John 

Feb 20, 2008 11:43

That's interesting....I guess by that barometer the only state Mrs. Clinton resoundingly beat Mr. Obama in was Arkansas. That is... [MORE]

Renee Chamley 

Feb 20, 2008 11:43

A 17-18 point rout in Wisconsin a narrow defeat? Narrow defeat the way her 2-3 point victory in New Hampshire... [MORE]

Fred Poole 

Feb 20, 2008 11:41

Senator Obama defeated Senator Clinton by 58% to 41% in Wisconsin. What margin would be required for an "outright loss"? Prior... [MORE]

Dean 

Feb 20, 2008 11:41

Obama turned a statistical dead heat into a blow out. He won virtually every demographic and did so convincingly. I... [MORE]

adam 

Feb 20, 2008 11:39

Your article has given me a glimmer of hope. Our family has been involved in politics for 40 years. I... [MORE]

Susan Nolan 

Feb 20, 2008 11:27

How can anyone conclude that a 17-point margin is a "narrow" defeat? [MORE]

Donn Wallace 

Feb 20, 2008 11:18

Clinton lost by 17%, that's not a narrow loss. Obama cut into her base, Wisconsin shows that Hillary's supporters are... [MORE]

Andy 

Feb 20, 2008 11:14

"narrow defeat"? How is a 17-point blowout a narrow defeat? [MORE]

Joe 

Feb 20, 2008 11:07

You honestly beleive 17 points is a narrow defeat? Tremendous defeat for Hillary. [MORE]

Jim West 

Feb 20, 2008 11:02

I doubt you can find many business people or statisticians who would call a 17 point difference "narrow". [MORE]

G. Tanner 

Feb 20, 2008 10:54

Obama's victory margin in Wisconsin was 17 points. That's exactly the margin of Clinton's victory in her home state. Can... [MORE]

Richard Goodyear 

Feb 20, 2008 10:52

Nice try to spin this, but 58 to 41 is an embarrassing blowout loss for Clinton, especially after polls were... [MORE]

Theo 

Feb 20, 2008 10:48

Does anyone buy the idea that Wisconsin was a narrow defeat for Senator Clinton? A 17 point defeat and a... [MORE]

TL 

Feb 20, 2008 10:48

LOL - are you kidding she got destroyed! It's all over for Hillary. [MORE]

Mark 

Feb 20, 2008 10:46

1) Where I'm from 17 points is not a narrow margin of defeat. 2) Some exit polls show a statistical tie... [MORE]

Chris 

Feb 20, 2008 10:45

Do you honestly think last night settled little? He ate into her base, and polling shows the races now tied... [MORE]

Mike 

Feb 20, 2008 10:34

While no polls predicted the magnitude of this margin--the most respectable had Obama ahead 4 or 5 points several days... [MORE]

Bill Slayton 

Feb 20, 2008 10:34

Hillary is a tough competitor with key states in her corral..California, New York, New Jersey, Massachussets and soon Texas, Ohio... [MORE]

John McCoy 

Feb 20, 2008 10:27

Clinton has shown her true colors as a caring person and as a Commander-in-Chief. The Wisconsin lines were long in... [MORE]

lycope 

Feb 21, 2008 00:41

Mr. Obama can take solace? A narrow victory? He won by 18 points. Hillary will have to win the remaining... [MORE]

Jay 

Feb 20, 2008 10:21

i really think u have missed the whole mood of the country.... i think u in america are missing something...even in... [MORE]

vj 

Feb 20, 2008 10:14

This was a 17 point thrashing! No amount of spin on your part will change that...... [MORE]

Rick Adams 

Feb 20, 2008 10:11

A narrow defeat? She lost by 17 points! She got creamed. [MORE]

W. Taylor 

Feb 20, 2008 10:06

In order to win the nomination she would need to take 60% of the delegates in Texas and Ohio, which... [MORE]

Bill Ohio 

Feb 20, 2008 10:05

How is a 17-point defeat "narrow"? The Clinton's themselves claimed they expected to keep it within 5 points. And the argument... [MORE]

Louis M. 

Feb 20, 2008 10:03

Obama - 58%Clinton - 41% 17% difference is a narrow defeat? That's twice the percentage difference in popular vote of Reagan/Mondale... [MORE]

John 

Feb 20, 2008 10:01

Last night's result in Wisconsin showed how canny the Clintons are at gaming the Democratic race. Instead of an outright... [MORE]

Brian 

Feb 20, 2008 09:56

A narrow defeat? This was a route, in territory that Clinton ought to have owned. After polls indicated a close... [MORE]

Ben 

Feb 20, 2008 09:53

She lost by 17 points. How was that not a rout? [MORE]

matt r 

Feb 20, 2008 09:51

You cannot compare a movement to a candidate. This is a movement and you'd better join before it is too... [MORE]

Kevin Cohen 

Feb 20, 2008 09:51

17% is a narrow defeat? After polls showed her within 5%? [MORE]

matt 

Feb 20, 2008 09:48

Obama won by 17%. Not a narrow victory in my estimation considering that he was polling at a mere 4%... [MORE]

John Publius 

Feb 20, 2008 09:42

17% is a narrow defeat? [MORE]

Chris Jernigan 

Feb 20, 2008 09:40

Obama was leading by around 4% in major Wisconsin polls over the weekend, by about 10% in less well-known polls... [MORE]

Aaron Levitt 

Feb 20, 2008 09:39

% = nothingdelegates = everything That is where the margin is small and that's the only thing that matters. CNN and... [MORE]

MDSM 

Feb 20, 2008 16:17

Combined, the two losses set Clinton back by about 21 delegates. That's a truly significant total at this late stage... [MORE]

Joe c 

Feb 20, 2008 22:11

Clinton herself denied last night that the "plagiarism" charge had been manufactured by her campaign, even though one of the... [MORE]

Bruce in London 

Feb 20, 2008 09:35

I don't know how you could buy the idea that Clinton won the expectations game. The latest poll average showed... [MORE]

Howard 

Feb 20, 2008 09:33

Senator Clinton: Just bow out gracefully for the good of the party and for your hopes in 2016. It is pretty... [MORE]

Dave from NY 

Feb 20, 2008 09:29

calling a 17 point loss in wisconsin a narrow defeat is inaccurate. by that logic, Obama only narrowly lost CAlf.... [MORE]

henry 

Feb 20, 2008 09:28

The polls have been wrong so many times, it is not a good idea to base your column on polls...

dane ayers 

Feb 20, 2008 09:24

Sir, The Democratic nominee contest is deadlocked now and however much the biased media gives a free ride to Barack... [MORE]

Maung Maung Nyo 

Feb 20, 2008 09:15

Are you kidding? To make anything of the Wisconsin PRIMARY (remember when Obama was just about caucuses?) other than a... [MORE]

Tim 

Feb 20, 2008 09:08

There is a huge contrast between Obama's rhetoric and his pedestrian agenda in fact it's quite stark if anyone takes... [MORE]

J C Dillon 

Feb 20, 2008 09:07

The $500,000 he spent on ads is a pittance considering more than 25,000 people have donated since last night. He... [MORE]

Scott Miller 

Feb 20, 2008 09:06

How can you possible describe 17 points as a "narrow loss"? In politics, it's a thrashing, especially when the polls... [MORE]

Jared 

Feb 20, 2008 09:03

Obama won by 17 points in Wisconsin! To read this article, you would think it was 52-48. [MORE]

Jonah 

Feb 20, 2008 09:03

Thank you for your analysis. As a woman over 60, I feel it is way past time for a woman... [MORE]

bailey's mom 

Feb 20, 2008 08:59

Let's review the results. Obama won by 17 points, hardly a narrow victory by any standard; this was twice as... [MORE]

Harvey Thomson 

Feb 20, 2008 08:58

Hillary should just get out now. All she serves to do is ruin the democratic party's chances at the presidential... [MORE]

Veronica 

Feb 20, 2008 08:55

The people are saying NO to Mrs. Clinton. They are saying YES, YES, YES to Mr. Obama. Wisconsin was a... [MORE]

Munk 

Feb 20, 2008 08:54

Since when is 17 points a narrow loss? There is no way Clinton can put a good face on this... [MORE]

John 

Feb 20, 2008 08:52

Since when is a 17 point spread not an outright loss? This was a blowout that far exceeded the late... [MORE]

Lee Wright 

Feb 20, 2008 08:46

If you look here: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#WIDEM you'll see that Obama actually won Democrats 53-46. Not only that but you've badly misjudged the... [MORE]

Feb 20, 2008 08:42

Clinton lost by 17 points! Convince me that's a "narrow defeat" for me, and I'll buy you a beer. As... [MORE]

Common Sense 

Feb 20, 2008 08:15

Dream on. This is over. Clinton will never be able to win the margins she needs to in Texas and... [MORE]

ATurner 

Feb 20, 2008 08:05

Last i checked 17 points (58/41) was not considered a narrow defeat. O/08. [MORE]

nathan 

Feb 20, 2008 07:59

With all due respect, but 58 - 41 % for Obama in a state that has only a very small... [MORE]

MartinBertschi 

Feb 20, 2008 07:54

Your analysis is right on the mark. I believe Hillary can still win. The only problem is the press who... [MORE]

mel miller 

Feb 20, 2008 07:52

Surely before it transpired that Obama won by about 17%. [MORE]

Rodger Lodger 

Feb 20, 2008 07:46

The young and the "fresh, inexperienced" voters - who really do not have any idea of what it is to... [MORE]

PurplePolitics 

Feb 20, 2008 16:52

I am a mother, an aunt and a grandmother and I am excited that America finally has a viable candidate... [MORE]

Sick of Politics As Usual 

Feb 20, 2008 21:33

Her negative attacks somewhat stemmed Obama's tide? Huh? Just days ago, polls showed only a 4-5% lead for Obama. She... [MORE]

D. Baker 

Feb 20, 2008 07:42

How is 17 points a "narrow defeat"? That is a drubbing, pure and simple. And by the way, according to... [MORE]

Trent 

Feb 20, 2008 02:34

58 to 41 percent is an outright rout. [MORE]

just thinking 

Feb 20, 2008 02:08

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