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Submitted by Alex Barnett, Mar 20, 2008 08:38

'The websites you submitted are complete propaganda'

'It provides access to a new and growing global society of respected scientists and journalists that are not deniers that our climate is dynamic (the only constant in nature is change) and that man plays a role in climate change through urbanization, land use changes and the introduction of greenhouse gases and aerosols, but who also believe that natural cycles such as those in the sun and oceans are also important contributors to the global changes in our climate and weather. We worry the sole focus on greenhouse gases and the unwise reliance on imperfect climate models while ignoring real data may leave civilization unprepared for a sudden climate shift that history tells us will occur again, very possibly soon. '

excerpt from icecap.us- pretty fair summary to me

i understand your argument but i dont think alot of it is credible. please explain to me why our global temps have either levelled or decreased since 1998, when the solar maximum occured around these years.

also, there is NO credible evidence that CO2 causes temperature rise, but there is solid evidence that temperature increase causes an increase in CO2.

1st graph is from temperature sattelites showing decline in temperature over the last few years

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Temperatures_since_2003.jpg

2nd graph shows temperature sattelites recordings compared to CO2 levels, absolutley no correlation.

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/SmoothedMonthlyCO2vsTemps.jpg

if we're talking about propoganda; the most famous global warming photo of our time = polar bears 'stranded' on an ice berg. Everybody knows now that, that was complete bull****....

For what i can see, there has been no propaganda for global cooling. Nobody hears about the other side of the debate. No tv shows, newspapers etc ,cover anything from the other side of the argument, so people are stuck to forums on the internet as they say 'the debate is over'.

But what really gets me is that no matter what weather events happens at the moment, it is blamed on global warming . 'Record snow' and 'freezing cold temperatures'-- 'oh must be global warming!!', ' spring come early'- ' oh must be global warming!!' - and dont give me the whole ' oh global warming causes weather extremes'!!

i could go on to how CO2 is actually the smallest warming agent in air compared to elements like methane but i really cant be bothered...

i think a good conclusion is that no matter how much you try to give me the hard facts on your global warming doomsday hympothesis, i will never believe it until i see it. Vice versa, no matter how much i try to convince you that the sun and other solar events cause temperature fluctuatons, on earth, you'll never believe it...

i guess only time will tell...

although im predicting a few warmer years up 2012 ( where GW trolls will jump up and down for joy shouting ' i told you the deate was over!!') due to relatively high solar activity, until we enter a longer period of cooling........ i hope it stays warm, because 'rice cannot grow on ice'!

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