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Submitted by Pete Kent, Aug 18, 2008 14:49

"There was some suggestion that we might be able to craft something that might meet constitutional muster with respect to caring for fetuses or children who were delivered in this fashion. Unfortunately, this bill goes a little bit further, and so … this is probably not going to survive constitutional scrutiny. Number one, whenever we define a pre-viable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or other elements in the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a — a child, a nine-month-old — child that was delivered to term. That determination, then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it — it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an antiabortion statute."

The absurd conclusion of Obama's argument is hard to miss. He implies that "pre-viable" babies born prematurely, even without abortions, are somehow less "persons" than are babies who undergo nine months' gestation before birth. But even this is not the most important part of his argument. That would be his first sentence — the one about "caring for fetuses or children who were delivered in this fashion." He seems open to this idea. And he does not state explicitly that a pre-viable, premature baby is not a "person." Rather, he is arguing that the question of their personhood is a moot point. Even if the state should perhaps provide care for these babies, any recognition of their personhood might threaten someone's right to an abortion somewhere down the road. That made the bill unacceptable to him. " "Most people, whatever their view on abortion, agree that the Constitution at least guarantees the rights of born and living human beings. Barack Obama does not agree. For him, the Constitution exists primarily in order to guarantee the right to abortion, and other rights of human persons — born and alive — are secondary. Beginning with abortion rights as his premise, he draws as his conclusion the unfortunate but necessary legality of infanticide." (Quoting David Fredoso)

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check it: there has been a law in place for over 20 years that says any infant born must receive... [MORE]	swa	Sep 15, 2008 21:10
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to Nuroslam: sorry for delay in posting back. u may not see this. but here is what the 1st Amendment... [MORE]	kj	Aug 26, 2008 21:53
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Andrew writes: "Come on, some of you. Apply at least a little bit of common sense instead of going on... [MORE]	Hwnstein	Aug 22, 2008 08:19
"Keep your prayers to yourself and stay away from my body!! " The point is that once the child is... [MORE]	NuroSlam	Aug 21, 2008 16:30
"Abort Roe v. Wade - I ask you those on the other side, why do you think nothing was done?... [MORE]	NuroSlam	Aug 21, 2008 16:17
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To R. DeGuisto and others on the "separation of church & state" principle. This principle was put into our Constitution... [MORE]	kj	Aug 21, 2008 15:36
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Just what will happen Jennings Taylor? I challenge you to answer... I really want to know.. what will happen? Can't... [MORE]	Dawn Derow	Aug 21, 2008 11:17
Ann Wright, Aj and R. DeGuisto, I couldn't agree with you more. As Ann Wright hit on, 8 years with the... [MORE]	Dawn Derow	Aug 21, 2008 10:54
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Just think of all the people who support this guy. Just think about what will happen,if this guy gets elected.... [MORE]	Jennings Taylor	Aug 19, 2008 21:57
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R. DeGuisto points out in his eloquent post that this country was created as a haven for people who were... [MORE]	robert engler	Aug 18, 2008 16:47
The evidence seems to indicate that Obama is not telling the truth or trying to get out of a predicament.... [MORE]	Erik	Aug 18, 2008 16:30
I'm having a really hard time with the fact that our news media has hosted a program where the head... [MORE]	R. DeGuisto	Aug 18, 2008 16:02
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"There was some suggestion that we might be able to craft something that might meet constitutional muster with respect to...	Pete Kent	Aug 18, 2008 14:49
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Mr Obama supports his opposition to the Born Alive Bill in IL by saying the Bill might have weakened Roe... [MORE]	Donal A Kinney	Aug 18, 2008 11:34
The issue is infanticide. Senator Obama's the only prominent politician in the nation that has ever excused killing children after... [MORE]	Consanescerion	Aug 18, 2008 11:22
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I think this issue could be devastating to the Obama campaign this fall. [MORE]	rinosaurusrex.com	Aug 18, 2008 08:39

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