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Editorial of The New York Sun | February 2, 2007

In respect of gun control, we don't mind saying that it's not the issue that keeps us up at night. But as an emblem of the irrational streak in our political debate these days, it's without peer, a point about which we were reminded by the editorial in Tuesday's Times, "A Day Without Guns … ." It was arguing, if that's the word, against Florida's liberalized concealed carry laws. Basing its comments on research done by the Florida Sun-Sentinel that showed some criminals in Florida have gotten permits to carry concealed weapons, the Times decried the state Legislature's "gruesome handiwork." It chided the "corrupt and cowardly" legislators who refused to "undo these lethal threats" created by legal concealed carry.

Our first thought was that Floridians are grown-ups possessed of rational minds and capable of making their own laws without the Times' haranguing. This is what Floridians have done over the last two decades by repeatedly electing representatives who believe Americans have a right, vouchsafed in the Second Amendment of the Constitution, to keep and bear arms. It's a right that has been called the palladium of American liberty. But about what was the Times speaking with the claim that Florida's concealed carry laws are "lethal" and "gruesome"?

Since the Jack Hagler Self Defense Act went into effect in 1987, crime in Florida has gone down by almost every measure there is. According to statistics provided by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, firearm murders in Florida between 1987 and 2005 dropped in real terms to 521 from 697. Expressed as the number of firearm murders per 100,000 persons, the drop is even more dramatic, to 2.9 from 5.8. That's a change of 50%. The drop in violent crime overall is less precipitous but equally steady, including drops in the rates of murder, aggravated assault, robbery, and sexual assault.

It is difficult to argue that permitting more persons to carry concealed weapons in and of itself caused this drop in crime, although some have tried. Causal relationships of that nature are notoriously tricky to pin down, and the relationship between crime and concealed carry has been explored in academic circles for years, with little consensus. But it's even harder, given the statistics, to argue that legalizing the carry of concealed weapons has increased crime. Or that it has had some terrible adverse consequence.

Predictions of wild-West style shootouts and lawlessness have proven false. That's not what happened. Not in Florida or in any of the other 37 states with legalized concealed carry. There is nothing "lethal" or "gruesome" about permitting law-abiding citizens to defend themselves by carrying a weapon — or simply to carry a weapon without defending themselves. The truth is that if there is a lesson to be drawn from the Sun-Sentinel's reporting, it's not, as the Times suggests, that there is something wrong with existing laws. Rather it is that judges should start treating criminals as the law prescribes.

In Florida, the law on concealed carry allows persons who have committed serious crimes and have reached plea agreements with judges to have their records scrubbed, to become eligible once more to receive a concealed carry license. An ordinary person might expect an editorial writer opining on all this, particularly in a city where the mayor is trying to make an issue out of "illegal" guns, to look into the statistics on crime and include these facts in an editorial, if only to deal with them. But at the Times, they're not fit to print.


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I am not a NY resident, but enjoy your paper regardless. I understand that you still have the Sullivan Laws... [MORE]

John Lewis 

Feb 2, 2007 07:28

Mr. Lewis, You quote the Times (I'm assuming the New York Times) as running a recent editorial titled "A Day Without... [MORE]

Mike Glaser 

Feb 2, 2007 09:41

There's no question that gun control stirs the politcal pot like few other things. But, there is just no evidence... [MORE]

John R 

Feb 2, 2007 11:24

You've hit the nail on the head. In the editorial cited, the Times' tendentious prose may ostensibly relate to concealed... [MORE]

Robert J. Yankow 

Feb 2, 2007 10:07

In contrast to Florida, Mayor Bloomberg and Commissioner Kelly have made the Pistol Permit holder, along with out-of-state gun dealers,... [MORE]

Jim Fay 

Feb 2, 2007 10:16

I work in NYC and was attacked twice with a knife and once with a base ball bat BUT thanks... [MORE]

Nemo 

Apr 27, 2007 20:36

While it is true that crime and other social statistics are impossible to pin on one or another factor, given... [MORE]

Jon Hochgesang 

Feb 2, 2007 10:18

Thank you for discussing this subject with rational thought and common sense. On no other topic except maybe Global Warming... [MORE]

Mike Sieverding 

Feb 2, 2007 11:00

For those wringing their hands over firearms, here is the easy solution. The current laws are extremely harsh for anyone... [MORE]

Mitchel Kotula, Jr. 

Feb 2, 2007 11:29

It is very refreshing to see a NY paper that uses the facts and does not conceal them for its... [MORE]

Edward Bath 

Feb 2, 2007 12:07

Anyone carring to challange that only has to look at chicago and it's suburbs. All the areas that have virtually... [MORE]

ted zas 

Feb 2, 2007 12:16

I have the right to defend myself and those around me from death or injury at the hands of criminals.... [MORE]

Andrew Nelson 

Feb 2, 2007 12:28

I know that the Editorial Board of the NYT is not stupid. Would that they were. With all the anecdotal... [MORE]

Voolfie 

Feb 2, 2007 12:46

vouchsafed The second amendment doesn't grant citizens the right to anything. It prevents government from infringing on a right that... [MORE]

John Lewis 

Feb 2, 2007 13:18

It's about time that the people of New York State and City vote out the politicians that have continually denied... [MORE]

Kenneth Adams 

Feb 2, 2007 13:19

Well written perspective. I have had a hand gun permit for over 30 years. I have never shot anyone in... [MORE]

Dr Michael Giannone 

Feb 7, 2007 20:49

I am fortunate to be a citizen of a State that expects its residents to be responsible for their own... [MORE]

Pete Humm 

Feb 2, 2007 13:34

Excellent article. It is a shame that many in the print, and other media try hard to not let the... [MORE]

Mike Schollmeier 

Feb 2, 2007 14:07

Bravo! Well Spoken But will not convert the indoctrinated in the ant-gun crowd. As we are learning the painful lessons... [MORE]

Frank Tucker 

Feb 2, 2007 14:09

Dear Editors, You quote the Times as running a recent editorial titled "A Day Without Guns." I would remind the Times... [MORE]

Mike Glaser 

Feb 2, 2007 15:20

I defy anyone to show us a country who has disarmed its citizens and or has draconian gun laws that... [MORE]

Kevin M 

Feb 3, 2007 08:31

I cannot think of anyone at any time who has put it more planely than Mike Glaser. Touche sir! [MORE]

Mel Winegardner 

Feb 4, 2007 16:53

To whomever wrote the the editorial concerning the "reporting" done by the Times newspaper; Thank you from a Florida resident. Just... [MORE]

Keith Pletcher 

Feb 2, 2007 15:51

Statistical analysis of crime rates can be used in varying arguments. If there are 2 people living in a town,... [MORE]

James Morgan 

Feb 2, 2007 16:18

This is the classic problem with freedom of speech some want to exercise it even then they have nothing to... [MORE]

tinman 

Feb 2, 2007 18:01